So I had a conversation on FB on a post, I didn't make, that told those complaining about the switch to paper straws in McDonalds et al to start adulting, implying their complaints are childish.
Here are screen shots in order:-
The original post
My reply
My reply continued
A reply from someone not the op, I'll call Roe (Becca James is myself)
Their response cont
Further cont response from Roe
Roes further reply.
My response to the only part of Roe's reply on topic
My continued reply
At this point I had to go to work. I came home to this response
So To begin anew in the hopes the message is heard rather than twisted beyond recognition.
Disability and accessibility campaigners are not saying to continue using plastic straws, not at all. what is being said is that they need straws as like the disposable plastic ones as possible. Even if they're only made available for those who need them.
Reusable straws have issues for a significant number of people with disabilities; some people with cognitive disabilities struggle with the texture and solidity of metal or bamboo straws. Some people with physical disabilities have burned themselves using metal straws as the straw gets too hot and retains heat too long. Bamboo straws alongside metal straws are too rigid, some conditions mean people need flexible straws, not rigid ones. In addition if you have certain physical disabilities properly and safely cleaning reusable straws is tricky. These and many more issues are all ones brought up by people living with disability.
Instead of listening to them and trying to find a way forward to protect our world and allow people to keep their accessibility we and Capital are ignoring them. The OP literally told anyone complaining about the paper straws to "take the lid off and drink it like a f***ing grown up".
What needs to happen is those of us, rightly, pushing for a radical change in our need for disposable plastic need to also push for sustainable accessible straws as like disposable plastic straws as possible. For many people those straws are what allow them the ability to drink, without them they'd have to have their drinks thickened to a jelly or mousse like consistency and eat them.
Imagine that for one moment, loosing that sensory loveliness of a drink, the sensations of it in your mouth, on your lips, going down your throat. All of that gone.
There need be no conflict of interest in fighting for sustainable straws as close to plastic as possible for those who need them, and doing away with current disposable plastic straws.
For one, if we really want sustainable then paper is nowhere near as sustainable as hemp, hemp paper straws would be far better.
See how easy it is once we think outside the box Capital is shoving this discussion to start thinking of alternatives even to paper straws?
I'm not arguing that we bring back plastic straws, as such, I'm arguing against silencing those who need them to live a full and rich life.
For example, this thread dismisses entirely there could be any validity to those complaining against paper straws. It mocks the very notion. That is ableism.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ableism
Sustainability needn't happen in ways that hurt people living with disabilities be they physical or cognitive. Silencing, mocking, deriding, telling them to grow up, infantilising them, all of which the op did is ableism, it's vile, it is unnecessary.
Now to address some of the responses to my posts.
a) not sure how relevant Roe being a vegetarian is to a discussion about straws but I've been a veggie since I was 6 am a vegan now. I'm 41. Never been in a McDonalds et al except for work (I'm a support worker for adults with profound learning disabilities).
b) this post; -
b) cont - not relevant to the issue of paper straws etc, why I ignored it in the first place, but ok let me address it anyway. My choice for morality and health is not to eat fast food. However, there are laws in the UK (Eire and most of EU, US too btw) re consent for adults with profound disabilities. If individuals wish to eat or drink at a McDonalds then if they have capacity we would be guilty of abuse to prevent that. Much like if someone felt I as a vegan needed to eat meat would be guilty of abuse to force me to eat dead animal or cheese. Again your point is ableism assuming you or I get to enforce our personal beliefs on someone else because they happen to have a disability. We don't.
You also presume anyone living with a disability is unhealthy, people can and do treat fast food as a treat, once a week or fortnight or month. Again you do not get to decide how someone living with disabilities should live. You do not get to force your way of living on them.
Yes, I did see that film, it was by Morgan Spurlock, it's irrelevant to paper straws and ableism discussion the op started.
b) response cont- again you're judging based on your own prejudices, you do not know the situation for that family. I'm vegan, been veggie since I was 6. I don't go in fast food places myself, only with work supporting others to live the lives THEY choose.
b) cont again - yes it's called junk food for a reason. It's also called consent for a reason. We do not get to force other people to make the choices we do. Again this is all irrelevant to paper straws and ableism.
c) The op was specifically about straws. My reply that you took exception too was about straws. Again, people who live with disabilities have a right to make their own choices regarding the foods they eat. The only legal way to interfere is if they eat treats to excess, then it might, might mind you, be possible to launch a mental capacity assessment and initiate a best interest protocol. Neither of which is legal if someone like fast food on occasion.
Again, the entire conversation is about straws and ableism. You're trying to insert irrelevancies for your own reasons.
c) cont - I'm not angry, or rather I wasn't angry, strawmen and gaslighting are tactics I abhor. They are tactics of bullies and abusers, as a survivor of paternal abuse I recognise them instantly. Only those aware of their shaky logic need them, use them to silence and shame and belittle.
Oh and at 41 I'm not a girl.
Capital, particularly companies such as McDonalds could more than afford to invest in sustainable straws more like the bad plastic ones, to keep straws accessible for all. Ignoring those who need such straws is simply not ok. Mocking them, as the op did, is not ok. Pressuring companies to invest in research to develop better straws, straws that would help those who can only use ones like the current plastic straws, THAT is where our energies should go. Not into ableism.
The way forward must be both sustainable AND accessible. The only reason that is not happening now is lack of will, from both Capital and from sustainability activists. Which is typical of Capital but activists should be downright ashamed of ourselves.